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Extending duration of IR code.
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Post 1 made on Saturday June 25, 2005 at 06:11
Crustyloafer
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Hi guy and gals. I have got my RC9500 up and running now and have got all of my macros working fine except for one command. It is the power on command for the Panasonic TX32 PL1 televsion which is proving troublesome. It requires a fairly long button press for the tv to come on, about 2-3 seconds I think and this does not happen if I put the code into a macro.

Is there an easy way to extend the duration of the command by editing the actual hex code? I know that the new version of PPNG has the ability to specifiy the duration time for the command to be output but as yet Marantz have not updated the Wizzit 9 software to include this feature.

If I were to post the hex code I would like to extend would someone be able to extend the duration for me?
OP | Post 2 made on Saturday June 25, 2005 at 06:13
Crustyloafer
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Here is the code I would like to extend the duration of should anyone care to take the time to do so. The code is actually for button '0' which acts as a discrete on command as opposed to the 'Power' button which is just a toggle. Many thanks in advance.

0000 0070 0000 0032 0082 0040 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0AAB
Post 3 made on Saturday June 25, 2005 at 10:32
Lyndel McGee
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VERY IMPORTANT: All numbers in this code are in hexadecimal (base 16). Therefore, to do mulitplication for doubling, quadrupling, etc..., use Window Calculator in scientific mode.

0000 0070 0000 0032 0082 0040 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0AAB


0000 0070 0000 0032 (This is the IR code preamble) The first 0000 indicates this is a raw IR code. The second 0000 indicates that there are no one-shot pairs that should be used and the 0032 indicates that there are 0x32 (50 decimal) pairs that should be repeated. If you count out the following entries, you will see 100 groups of 4 numbers or 50 pairs. For more information, see the word document authored by Barry Gordon in the Pronto (not pronto ng) files section.

Everything that follows the preamble is IR data. In your case, all 50 pairs of numbers are repeat data as you have no one-shot data.

Here is the data.

0082 0040 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0AAB

You go about extending the code in this fashion.

replicate your data multiple times. Start with 2 times as follows:

0082 0040 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0AAB 0082 0040 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0030 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 002F 0011 002F 0011 000F 0011 000F 0011 0030 0011 0AAB

Then change the preamble as follows 32 becomes 64 since you doubled the repeat data.

0000 0070 0000 0064


You follow the same procedure if you then double the data again. 64 becomes 2 * 64 in Windows Calculator scientific mode, I think you will see that 64 * 2 is C8.

This message was edited by Lyndel McGee on 06/25/05 14:26 ET.
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OP | Post 4 made on Saturday June 25, 2005 at 12:16
Crustyloafer
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That you very much, very concise answer which even I can understand
Post 5 made on Sunday June 26, 2005 at 14:21
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Lyndel,
you got on this guy for posting this both here and in the Pronto OG (old generation) forum, and I am double responding because I think this is an important point. I hate double posts, too, mostly because I want to follow many threads and it is irritating to open a thread and not see a response that I KNOW was there yesterday...here is what I posted on the other forum:

Most of the time I agree with you, and you know more about these remotes than I so I simply believe you, but why would a person automatically ask about how to change an IR code so that it will last longer in one forum or the other?

Wouldn't a hex change that makes a code last longer on one remote also work on another? Are all of the people who know how to do this somehow magically only looking at the NG forum?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
OP | Post 6 made on Sunday June 26, 2005 at 18:57
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The only reason I double posted is that I posted first in this forum as that's the closest to my machine. I posted again in the standard Pronot forum as it seems to receive the most hits. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
OP | Post 7 made on Sunday June 26, 2005 at 19:00
Crustyloafer
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Just to follow up on this, the code extensions didn't work. They do extend the code duration but only by fractions of a second. If I try to put a code with any more that 100(hex) pairs then Wizzit 9 9and other porgrams for that matter) say that it is an invalid IR code. I gues I just need to wait until Marantz adds the 'Duration' function to the Wizzit software like Philips have with the latest version of PPNG. Thanks again for all you halp guys and if anyone can come up with a discrete 'On' code for a Panasonic TX32 PL1 I'd be very grateful. I have tried pretty much every code I can find on here and none of them work when used within a macro.
Post 8 made on Thursday October 20, 2005 at 05:38
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Does anyone know if there's a solution already?? I have a Marantz 9500 and use the wizz it. I also use pronto edit to convert those pretty layouts to the Marantz, but I'm a little frustrated that a device in this price category doesn't have the IR duration function that the Pronto has. So any updates?
Dennis
Post 9 made on Thursday October 20, 2005 at 06:38
Daniel Tonks
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Hmm, I can't quite remember, but how is the inter-code spacing on the RC9500? There used to be a trick on the original Pronto where you could extend a code using the original code followed by numerous repeats of a "partial" code. This didn't work on the Pronto NG because it put about a 0.4 second space between each code, but the spacing improved on later firmware and the color models. And depending on the device it MIGHT ignore any remaing delay... might not hurt to try. Check the original Pronto FAQ for this one.
Post 10 made on Thursday October 20, 2005 at 09:11
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On 10/20/05 06:38 ET, Daniel Tonks said...
This didn't work
on the Pronto NG because it put about a 0.4 second
space between each code, but the spacing improved
on later firmware and the color models. And depending
on the device it MIGHT ignore any remaing delay...

I haven't seen any posts about anyone getting that to work recently on a NG Pronto. But maybe no one has tried since that firmware improvement you mentioned.

might not hurt to try. Check the original Pronto
FAQ for this one.

The FAQ focuses on the less common case where the signal has both a one-time part and a repeating part. Learning tricks to seperate those when needed sometimes work and somtimes produced misaligned signals that won't work for the intended purpose even if the firmware has been fixed.

This thread is about Panasonic signals, that have only a repeat part. There is no purpose to try to split them and the repeat part is long enough that trying to split them would likely produce wrong results (vs. shorter protocols where unnecessary attempts to split the signal just produce two equivalent versions of the original).

So to try the method Daniel was suggesting with Panasonic signals, just get a single clean learn of the signal and alias it multiple times in a sequence.

All reported past attempts to do that for Panasonic with NG Prontos have failed. But maybe the firmware has improved enough.


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